Before most of my friends got married, a sample text sesh could presumably have been titled Guys We F-cked. It was full of dirty details never shared beyond a close-knit group because, well, we were scared people would judge us. Slut-shaming is very much a thing in today’s faux-progressive society, but, thankfully, there are badass women who are hard at work changing the paradigm by living loud and proud as unrepentant sluts.
Two such ladies are Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson, the hilarious New York-based geniuses behind the Guys We F-cked podcast. Standup comedians by trade, the two aren’t afraid to tackle issues like date rape and racial inequality on their show, which is comprised of recounting their recent sexcapades (though both hosts are in committed relationships, they don’t hold back), advising fans through tough-to-navigate sex and relationship crises and interviewing a range of chic guests from the comedy community. Since its launch in 2013, the podcast has become a must-listen, partly due to their balls-out approach to sex, undeniable chemistry and, of course, the LOLs.
Ahead of their appearances at JFL42 in Toronto this weekend, I asked my gal crushes a few burning questions. (And no, I don’t mean that kind of burn.)
How did you guys come up with the idea for Guys We F-cked?
Corinne Fisher: Guys We F-cked was the alternative to me crying in my room for the rest of my life. Long story short, I was dumped by my last serious boyfriend very unexpectedly in Panera Bread and was left completely devastated. After a year of being a shell of who I actually I am, I got my shit together and asked Krystyna if she wanted to be my partner in a social experiment podcast where we would use conversations with ex-boyfriends and sex partners as an exercise in self-reflection. She added on the anti-slut-shaming portion so that we could use it as a platform to speak about f-cked-up shit that women go through on a daily basis.
Why do you think talking so openly about female sexuality is important?
CF: It’s important because it hasn’t really been done a whole lot. Sexuality has f-cked us all up so much, yet it’s still this secret adults giggle about like Harajuku girls. Once you unleash the dragon, the dragon isn’t so scary. The dragon just has a clit it, like, really needs you to find.
Krystyna Hutchinson: Because way too many people get uncomfortable about female sexuality, which tells me that not enough people are having open conversations. The media and pop culture show a very narrow perspective of a woman’s sexuality and it’s important to call bullshit on that. Women are so much more than the beautiful people we see in the media. Sure, that’s fun to look at, but we’re so much more complex than that.
Do you think it’s especially hard to talk sexuality/feminism (or politics for that matter) with family? If so, do you have any tips for doing so?
KH: YES! I was just experiencing this the other day while on a family vacation, trying to answer my mom’s question, “But…. why did you have to call it that [i.e. Guys We F-cked). I love my family dearly but when I’m with them, I don’t have the amount of openness as I do on the podcast or with my friends or at the grocery store. It’s hard to talk about sexuality with my mom because I think she never really got to explore hers. It’s even more difficult to talk about politics with my dad because he’s a conservative, Fox-News-loving Republican. One valuable lesson my father has taught me, which I’m so thankful for, is the importance of being an informed and active citizen.
What would your listeners be surprised to know about your sexuality?
CF: Listeners would be surprised to know that a lot of our sex is pretty conventional and that sometimes we go weeks without having sex at all, even though we are both in committed relationships. No matter how sexual you are, life still just gets in the way sometimes. I can guarantee you even porn stars get stressed about their mortgage and aren’t in the mood to bang. We’re all a lot more similar than you think (and by similar I mean boring). Everything on Instagram is a lie unless it’s a picture of me at a fast food restaurant.
KH: We don’t hold anything back about our sexuality, so I think some people assume we lead these crazy sex lives. Compared to some of the emails I read, I’m vanilla AF! I love romantic sex and kinky sex and having a weird night at a strip club, but I’ve been pretty open about that on the podcast. Sometimes I even say things on the microphone that I haven’t yet said to my boyfriend, Stephen, like my interest in exploring a cuckold fetish. He edits the podcast every week and after that one episode he comes upstairs and goes, “Hey… so… anything you want to talk to me about?” The listeners are sometimes the first to know!
What do you think about sex work?
KH: I know women who enjoy and get off on being a sex worker and I know women who work a desk job and hate every second of it. Different strokes for different folks, but if you want to sell a sexual service, go right ahead. The only flaw I see with sex work is that it’s illegal. And the funny part about that is, the politician who speaks the loudest against it is usually the one with the most hookers in his hotel room. I wish that America would stop policing what women do with their bodies; the world would be a better place if we could make decisions for ourselves.
I read recently that actually getting more sleep is the key to toppling the patriarchy. If you had to simplify it in such terms, what would your advice be?
CF: I mean, I’m not trying to “topple” anybody or anything; I’m just trying to not be treated like a second-class citizen because I have nips on top of fat balls that seem to mean a lot to dudes. In my opinion, the key to toppling the patriarchy is being kinder to other women. Fighting within our own sex is what brings us down. It’s easy to defeat women when we have fighting and chaos within.
What’s the one thing you’d like listeners to take away from listening to the podcast?
KH: That you should love yourself before you love someone else. Also: don’t be an asshole!
A live recording of Guys We F-cked will take place on Thursday, September 22 at The Royal from 9 to 11pm. Guys We F-cked: The Experience! will take place on Friday, September 23 at The Royal at midnight. For more information, visit jfl42.com.